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Writing Forums: Guidelines and Etiquette

28 Dec 2006, 18:52

The following are general writing and art forum guidelines:

1) Be respectful when you leave feedback. If all you can think of is "it sucks" or "you ugly," then don't say anything. Conversely, if you don't want feedback and just want to post it to share, then you need to mention that so we know to just say "omg teh r0xx0rz"
2) Don't plagiarize someone else's work. On the same note, if you're using someone's work for something, please ask them beforehand. People like Rai and CZ get really, really irritated at this sort of thing, and you don't want people like Rai and CZ irritated at you on this forum.
3) Post as much as you like. Really, there's no rule that says you have to post all in one thread, or make a new thread for every story. Just do what feels natural, you know. ;) If, however, we deem you to be spamming uselessly, there will be banhammer-waving.
4) Be aware of all rules before posting. The general forum rules also apply here. Play nice, don't post pirated stuff, don't bring Deviantart drama (or wherever) into your TFS posts, etc. These are all global stickies for your convenience, guys, so be aware that the mods consider ignorance a poor excuse for breaking the rules.

In addition, these guidelines relate specifically to Sagacious Writing of Intent:

:arrow: This forum is for worksafe short-story prose/poetry only. If you want to post porn or longer works, we have other forums for that.
:arrow: If a submission has NSFW elements, it may be posted here as long as it is clearly identified. However, we would prefer that you post anything more explicit than "fade to black" in the NSFW forum.
:arrow: If you post something in the wrong forum, it will be moved, not removed. Don't panic. If you decided to post your 40-chapter fanfic here, it probably got moved to the novel forum, so check there before getting too excited.

Sagacious Writing of Intent News:
02/04/2010 - The new version of TFS (the "second edition" if you like ;)) is more than likely going to host a fiction archive. We will leave everything here and let you guys decide if you want to repost your works in there, or just leave your old stuff here.

We are currently working to move posts from the old Auspicious Fanwork Method forum to the new forums. Please be patient, you people are a prolific lot. :P
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29 Dec 2006, 01:05

Wow, fancy!

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29 Dec 2006, 07:55

That being the case, I'd like to request Xilanada - Descending Dark be moved from the Transcendant Smutforging Practice forum to this one. It's exactly what you said: a single chapter of (mildly) NSFW out of a series.

You can find it here:

http://www.thefreedomstone.com/phpbb/vi ... php?t=1428

Please? :)
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29 Dec 2006, 11:33

My bad :D;

We're moving things chunks at a time, so I probly missed it :D;
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Re: Forum News, Guidelines, and Etiquette

07 Sep 2008, 14:25

Given that it's been a year or two, I felt a brief reiteration of the Forum's rules along with a couple of thoughts was timely.

:arrow: Wanted Feedback. If you read something, please post a response to it. Page views are nice. Comments are even better. The only way authors have of knowing if something they do worked or something they wrote didn't work is by response. If you read a story and can't really think of how to comment on it, consider a few possibilities.
  • Theme. If it's an Exalted story with one Exalt type or another, how well did it capture the mood? How well do the characters written fit their Castes? If the character doesn't, do the differences make the character more believable or less?
  • Content. How interesting is the story to you? If it had combat, was the combat believable or interesting to read? Did it hold your attention span or did you skim through it? If there was description, could you picture the setting? Too much, too little description? Did the characters speak in understandable, believable ways? If they didn't, did that add or detract from the story for you?
  • Format. How readable is the story? Did you notice bad comma use or punctuation use? Were there huge blocks of text you got lost in or so much dialogue you couldn't tell who was talking sometimes? Or was the formatting good enough that you lost track of that and just read the whole thing through?
    Pleasure. Did you enjoy the story? If you did, what really stood out to you? If you didn't, what could have made it more enjoyable to read?

:arrow: Critical Feedback. With all that said above, be conscious that writing is sensitive work and different authors handle critique differently. Given that this is the internets and text translates humor or sarcasm poorly, also be conscious that what you mean to say and what others understood you to say will not always match. A few more suggestions follow along those lines.
  • Don't be deliberately insulting. Swearing at the author isn't anything other than deliberately insulting. Saying "You suck" is also unacceptable.
  • Be specific and impersonal. Even saying "This sucks" instead of "You suck" can be insulting. If you think something doesn't work, be specific but be polite. "God, I hate this chapter" is bad. "God, I hate this chapter because the characters should have talked instead of fought" is specific but not especially polite. "I feel the characters should have talked instead of fought" is specific and polite and just as easy to say.
  • Be mindful of author preferences. Any author who posts to this forum should either disclaim what kind of feedback they want, if they have preferences. Or if they don't want feedback at all. That disclaimer can be at the beginning or end of their new topic, or it can be located here and simply point to this post in their post. Respect those preferences.
  • Don't plagiarize others. I'm aware of the irony of that statement, since this is fanfiction. That said, do not intentionally copy someone else's character, setting or writing style without receiving their permission first.

:arrow: Posting Etiquette. We're a fun forum and we've had very few problems here. That said, here are some points to keep in mind.
  • No NSFW (Not Safe For Work) fiction or artwork should be posted here unless it's part of a SFW (Safe for Work) series.
  • If you are posting NSFW that's part of a SFW series, your post subject (it's title) MUST contain: "NSFW". Also, the top of the first post should briefly outline what makes it NSFW (ie. graphic sex, bare breasts, explicit descriptions of gore, rape, etc.). If you aren't sure if it is safe for work, assume it isn't or PM a Mod and ask.
  • Fiction should generally be Exalted fiction. If it's not, the title should typically indicate that (ie. "Scion", "NWoD", "Original").
  • Posting organization is left to author choice. That said, it's good form not to clutter the forum. It's perfectly fine for series to have their chapters posted into individual posts, since it focuses feedback as well as makes review and tracking page views easier. It's good etiquette but not a rule to collect sets of short pieces together if the material is related.


:arrow: Feedback Requested. Authors who routinely contribute to the Sagacious Writing of Intent may have preferences for the kind of feedback they receive. I would encourage every author with a preference to indicate it, either at the front of everything they post or in this thread here. Some sample preferences might include:
  • Just format (ie. please let me know if I make spelling mistakes, typos, have problems with punctuation, etc.)
  • Everything but format (ie. I know I type badly, just tell me if the story was any good!)
  • No theme critique (ie. I don't want to hear that my Solars having 8 Castes is uncanonical or that Sidereals being nice is unrealistic.)
  • No content critique (ie. I don't want to hear anything negative about my characters or what I do to them.)
  • Only positive plz (ie. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. And that means no posting "..." either.)

:arrow: The Artistic Index Organization Module. If you are an author who posts enough fiction to want a table of contents to it, this forum is for you. You're welcome to make a post and list up the fiction (or smut or artifacts/charms/etc.) you've posted on here.

Feel free to post if you have further thoughts or additions you think are necessary. Thanks and have fun!
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Re: Forum News, Guidelines, and Etiquette

07 Sep 2008, 19:54

Critique

Receiving: All critique is good critique. Impressions are especially helpful, if they're specific enough. If you are willing to, please give a reason and explanation. I try very hard to avoid debating people on their critique in the hopes that they'll be willing to give it as it is. Ex.
"I really like Jue. She kicks ass and doesn't apologize for it. Great fighting descriptions, great attitude and her being willing to sacrifice herself really impresses me."
"I don't really like Chen because she's not emotionally mature and it's difficult to enjoy reading her when it's like reading a 14 year old LiveJournal account. She just needs to talk to Kestrel."
"This chapter felt like a lot of dialogue. There was a lot of talking, not much description. Maybe if you put in a few more adjectivies or broke it up a little with paragraphs, it'd help."

Giving: I do not read stories with Infernal protagonists. Ever. And thus I will never critique one. Also, I will tell you exactly what comes to mind as I read. I don't tend to focus on technical issues unless they really stand out. I will be honest and tell you what I don't like as well as what I do like so if you'd prefer not to have critical remarks on your fiction, please let me know.
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Re: Forum News, Guidelines, and Etiquette

25 Mar 2009, 14:44

So, there's nothing in the forum rules that discusses the kind of comment someone makes beyond it not being deliberately rude or offensive, really.

Should there be?

Discuss.
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Re: Forum News, Guidelines, and Etiquette

25 Mar 2009, 14:50

On fiction posts, content at least somewhat relevant to the original post would be preferable.
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Re: Forum News, Guidelines, and Etiquette

25 Mar 2009, 21:09

Any thoughts on what appropriate enforcement might be? Same as any other rule, verbal warning followed by reporting posts and so on up?
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Re: Forum News, Guidelines, and Etiquette

11 Jun 2009, 20:55

As people may start noticing, I'm letting everyone know that I've stepped down from being the Moderator for the Sagacious Writing of Intent forum.

A few factors came into play with this. The biggest one is that I believe a Moderator should help set the standard for the forum, especially in reading and commenting on other people's works of fiction. The reality is I haven't consistently read most of the writing here in a year and every month has been harder and harder. It's been most of a year since I've read anything Friv's written and I LOVE Friv's fiction. That's unfair to him, and to those whose fiction I've enjoyed but haven't made the time to read and comment on.

A thread a few months ago in the Vanished project was kind of the other nail in the coffin, and I've thought of it often since. It's slowly dawned on me that I've been a bit worse than a Moderator who doesn't do their job; I've been a Moderator who may have used their position assuming people would listen to me solely because of my status. I've been a Moderator who writes fiction hoping people will read it, without then doing them the courtesy of reading theirs in return. That's not terribly cricket for a regular forum member, much less this forum's Moderator. Some concerns expressed in that thread a few months ago have made me realize that being a Moderator for this forum has only had one real outcome lately: people notice my name and my fiction more easily.

That's unacceptable. You deserve better. I don't believe I can deliver better, given how many hours a week I work and my other commitments. So the best thing for me to do is to resign.

BrilliantRain has agreed to take on the responsibilities of being the Forum Mod in the meantime. He's a regular reader for many people and offers excellent critique, something qualifying him for the job well above me. :) If he finds it challenging, I leave it to him and the Forum's Administration to find another Moderator for this forum.

It's been a pleasure, folks...too much of one. I'll still be around, writing at least...and hopefully reading more. Who knows? Maybe the feeling of "Dude, you're a Mod, set the example and comment!" being gone will make it easier/more likely. I can only hope.

In the meantime, thanks to everyone for making this forum my favorite place in the entire Internet.
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Re: Forum News, Guidelines, and Etiquette

11 Jun 2009, 21:04

Quite understandable. Thanks for letting us know. I hope that passing the hat to someone else makes you feel a little better and relax!
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Re: Forum News, Guidelines, and Etiquette

11 Jun 2009, 21:34

Tis cool. No hard feelings. You read some of my stuff, I think. That's good enough for me. You've probably read my stuff with more attention then I had while writing them.
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Re: Forum News, Guidelines, and Etiquette

13 Jun 2009, 18:09

Edit: Well, never mind. Seems they went with someone else.
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Re: Forum News, Guidelines, and Etiquette

29 Jul 2009, 01:29

So I see Logos Invictus is the new Moderator?
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