Henry wrote:That's a perfectly reasonable opinion to have, since nihilism is an uncomfortable thing, even the cartoon nihilism of Abyssals. To change that would make them into something that is no longer an Abyssal; but you know that, so run with it if it makes your game better. However, it does feel, to me, like taking strange Fate magic away from Sidereals, or trying to lock Solars into a narrative box (being locked into an narrative box is an Abyssal thing, damnit!).
My knowledge of philosophy is very thin (I took a few classes as an undergrad!) but the philosophical problem of the Abyssals seems very similar to the problem confronting the atheists of the 20th century: if life is pointless, what do I live for? You can accept it uneasily, like Nietzsche, mock it, like Sarte, or recognize it as something that makes man heroic, like Camus. It doesn't have to manifest itself as pure destructive nihilism or angst and suffering - there are other options. The Abyssal NPCs I've introduced into my games have all had different attitudes towards Oblivion, which has added some real depth to their personalities.
as an atheist and (former?) nihilst i reject these statements.
the second part confuses atheism with nihilism which is a classical theist mistake - whch rather scares me
the world must be so empty and hollow for theists
you can have morals and or ethics without a god (as demonstrated by some of the mentioned athors above) => atheism != nihlism
the basic approach to the problem of most 20th - 21st century atheists i know is simply "why the f*** do you care so much?"
second even nihilsm doesn't have to bed destructive or in anyway bad - nihilism has mostly lead me to laughter in times where i had precious little else to laugh at
please dont confuse nihilism with being a teenager
which is largely a biochemically unstable state